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		<title>Comment on What the smart government IT supplier needs to say in 12 weeks&#8217; time by Adam Saltiel</title>
		<link>http://idealgovernment.com/2010/02/what-the-smart-government-it-supplier-needs-to-say-in-12-weeks-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4304</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Saltiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I commented by me I have become interested in this area and found many of my private thoughts echoed in the articles and comments here. I assume this means there is a large consensus on these topics. The issue remains what to do?
I am not sure this web site etc. will become big enough to represent an unavoidable pressure group, a huge ground swell. This leaves us with pragmatic steps.
I suggest a focus on a single point. The comment above shows the matrix of benefits and disbenefits will not permit the needed move from existing suppliers. Frankly it is not conceivable, because such moves as would enable small competitors would be interpreted as against share holder interests.
The only alternative is to support government in making these changes despite resistance from incumbents.
Government needs to unpick its involvement from the collusion as described above.
We need to encourage them, that is can be done, that it should be done and that they are the ones to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I commented by me I have become interested in this area and found many of my private thoughts echoed in the articles and comments here. I assume this means there is a large consensus on these topics. The issue remains what to do?<br />
I am not sure this web site etc. will become big enough to represent an unavoidable pressure group, a huge ground swell. This leaves us with pragmatic steps.<br />
I suggest a focus on a single point. The comment above shows the matrix of benefits and disbenefits will not permit the needed move from existing suppliers. Frankly it is not conceivable, because such moves as would enable small competitors would be interpreted as against share holder interests.<br />
The only alternative is to support government in making these changes despite resistance from incumbents.<br />
Government needs to unpick its involvement from the collusion as described above.<br />
We need to encourage them, that is can be done, that it should be done and that they are the ones to do it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ONS: where next for the Census? by uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://idealgovernment.com/2010/02/ons-where-next-for-the-census/comment-page-1/#comment-4296</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by PubSecBloggers: ONS: where next for the Census?: I dont get this. The 2011 Census will adopt a similar processing strategy to that... http://bit.ly/dqW5pF...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by PubSecBloggers: ONS: where next for the Census?: I dont get this. The 2011 Census will adopt a similar processing strategy to that&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/dqW5pF.." rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dqW5pF..</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What the smart government IT supplier needs to say in 12 weeks&#8217; time by guy herbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>guy herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we benefit when this same transparency affects our competitors&quot; - oh no they don&#039;t.  Transparency encourages genuine competition on price and service rather than competition to flatter the delusions and risk aversion of those with the power to sign-of big cheques. My competitor&#039;s complicated method of overcharging for project A helps my own obscure, expensive arrangements around project B, and helps keep up the budgets and employ people signing off the intricate milestones in both respective departments.  Everyone involved in either project is better off than they would be under transparency, except the taxpayer who is paying and the target of the relevant government activity, who has to take it, cannot leave it, and the smaller firm that mistakenly believes the aim of the game is solving the problem imaginatively and cheaply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we benefit when this same transparency affects our competitors&#8221; &#8211; oh no they don&#8217;t.  Transparency encourages genuine competition on price and service rather than competition to flatter the delusions and risk aversion of those with the power to sign-of big cheques. My competitor&#8217;s complicated method of overcharging for project A helps my own obscure, expensive arrangements around project B, and helps keep up the budgets and employ people signing off the intricate milestones in both respective departments.  Everyone involved in either project is better off than they would be under transparency, except the taxpayer who is paying and the target of the relevant government activity, who has to take it, cannot leave it, and the smaller firm that mistakenly believes the aim of the game is solving the problem imaginatively and cheaply.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What the smart government IT supplier needs to say in 12 weeks&#8217; time by adoption curve dot net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Too Big To Succeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>adoption curve dot net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Too Big To Succeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What the smart government IT supplier needs to say in 12 weeks&#8217; time by Tim Duckett</title>
		<link>http://idealgovernment.com/2010/02/what-the-smart-government-it-supplier-needs-to-say-in-12-weeks-time/comment-page-1/#comment-4289</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Duckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the big IT houses are going to be having more and more conversations with people like James Gardner (http://bankervision.typepad.com/)   Apologies for quoting from his post (http://bankervision.typepad.com/bankervision/2010/02/halfway-through-my-week-at-the-front-line.html) at length, but I think this is a significant illustration of a mind shift taking place:

&quot;But here is another thing I’ve found in this Job Centre, and it is something I’m not surprised about.

Staff build their own stuff to get around the limitations of systems we provide. There are Excel based spreadsheets which are used for diary management (“oh, I can’t have this open too long, otherwise no-one else will be able to make appointments”). There is email based workflow, where each step is a new inbox that gets manually monitored. And there’s any number of self-made data capturing things that are used for statistics and business reporting.

And all of it is stitched together with another technology: paper. They create their own forms, and their own paper based systems in order to supplement their jobs.

Consequently, the work is processed in a highly efficient way. I’d make a guess that each JobCentre does things slightly differently, depending on how good their custom additions to each of our centrally provided processes are.

If there was ever proof needed that decentralisation of the core is a good thing, then I’ve been immersed in it for the week so far.

I wonder what would happen if we put the appropriate end-user computing tools in the hands of these people and said “design the perfect Job Centre system”. My guess would be something good.&quot;

Having been involved in the peripheries of Big Projects in the past, I&#039;ve often wondered if the reason that they fail is linked to their sheer size and the capacity of an ordinary human being to cope with the scale.   Beyond a certain size, it seems that the probability of success by any definition tends to zero, and no amount of tinkering with the political complexions or terminology or methodology-of-the-month will change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the big IT houses are going to be having more and more conversations with people like James Gardner (<a href="http://bankervision.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bankervision.typepad.com/</a>)   Apologies for quoting from his post (<a href="http://bankervision.typepad.com/bankervision/2010/02/halfway-through-my-week-at-the-front-line.html" rel="nofollow">http://bankervision.typepad.com/bankervision/2010/02/halfway-through-my-week-at-the-front-line.html</a>) at length, but I think this is a significant illustration of a mind shift taking place:</p>
<p>&#8220;But here is another thing I’ve found in this Job Centre, and it is something I’m not surprised about.</p>
<p>Staff build their own stuff to get around the limitations of systems we provide. There are Excel based spreadsheets which are used for diary management (“oh, I can’t have this open too long, otherwise no-one else will be able to make appointments”). There is email based workflow, where each step is a new inbox that gets manually monitored. And there’s any number of self-made data capturing things that are used for statistics and business reporting.</p>
<p>And all of it is stitched together with another technology: paper. They create their own forms, and their own paper based systems in order to supplement their jobs.</p>
<p>Consequently, the work is processed in a highly efficient way. I’d make a guess that each JobCentre does things slightly differently, depending on how good their custom additions to each of our centrally provided processes are.</p>
<p>If there was ever proof needed that decentralisation of the core is a good thing, then I’ve been immersed in it for the week so far.</p>
<p>I wonder what would happen if we put the appropriate end-user computing tools in the hands of these people and said “design the perfect Job Centre system”. My guess would be something good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having been involved in the peripheries of Big Projects in the past, I&#8217;ve often wondered if the reason that they fail is linked to their sheer size and the capacity of an ordinary human being to cope with the scale.   Beyond a certain size, it seems that the probability of success by any definition tends to zero, and no amount of tinkering with the political complexions or terminology or methodology-of-the-month will change that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on #idealgits: where have we got to? by uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by williamheath: http://idealgovernment.com/2010/02/idealgits-where-have-we-got-to/ #idealgits...</description>
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		<title>Comment on OS consultation by gammydodger</title>
		<link>http://idealgovernment.com/2010/01/os-consultation/comment-page-1/#comment-4281</link>
		<dc:creator>gammydodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently been looking at http://www.pachube.com/ from Connected Environments recently - if the government won&#039;t do it, then it will begin to happen in the private sector.

All it will take is a service like Pachube being fed by say Tracker or other in-car GPS devices and you could provide a real time map of UK traffic speeds and road utilization.

There are a couple of iPhone Apps that are acquiring public data to be shared:

Potholes And Repairs? Boston Has An App For That (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120999393)

Track Those Tax Dollars In An &#039;Augmented Reality&#039; (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114359604) 

If the government don&#039;t do it, the private sector will find a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently been looking at <a href="http://www.pachube.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pachube.com/</a> from Connected Environments recently &#8211; if the government won&#8217;t do it, then it will begin to happen in the private sector.</p>
<p>All it will take is a service like Pachube being fed by say Tracker or other in-car GPS devices and you could provide a real time map of UK traffic speeds and road utilization.</p>
<p>There are a couple of iPhone Apps that are acquiring public data to be shared:</p>
<p>Potholes And Repairs? Boston Has An App For That (<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120999393" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120999393</a>)</p>
<p>Track Those Tax Dollars In An &#8216;Augmented Reality&#8217; (<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114359604" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114359604</a>) </p>
<p>If the government don&#8217;t do it, the private sector will find a way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on #idealgits: where have we got to? by gammydodger</title>
		<link>http://idealgovernment.com/2010/02/idealgits-where-have-we-got-to/comment-page-1/#comment-4280</link>
		<dc:creator>gammydodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while back I studied Sir David Varney&#039;s report on the UK identity card and mapped it to the payments authentication model offered by the Liberty Alliance (the patent behind this is now owned by Oracle I guess) - seems like creating an authenticated online persona for each citizen might be a valuable task for government that could underpin all sorts of private commercial activities. More here, (http://www.realtea.net/uk_identity_card) but having Drupal issues so display is funky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back I studied Sir David Varney&#8217;s report on the UK identity card and mapped it to the payments authentication model offered by the Liberty Alliance (the patent behind this is now owned by Oracle I guess) &#8211; seems like creating an authenticated online persona for each citizen might be a valuable task for government that could underpin all sorts of private commercial activities. More here, (<a href="http://www.realtea.net/uk_identity_card" rel="nofollow">http://www.realtea.net/uk_identity_card</a>) but having Drupal issues so display is funky</p>
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		<title>Comment on Census: the opt-out and the opportunity by William</title>
		<link>http://idealgovernment.com/2009/09/census_the_opt_out_and_the_opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-4277</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a followup letter to Helen Bray at ONS: &lt;blockquote&gt;2 Oct 09

Dear Helen Bray

Thank you for your letter. I&#039;m still uneasy about this and have sought advice.

The immediate advice is that that your letter is disingenuous, in that it refers to the duty of confidentiality but fails to mention the extensive loopholes available in the Statistics &amp; Registration Service Act 2007. I was unaware of these. I&#039;m sure you know them well; they are set out in s.39 copied below.

What they appear to say is that personally-identifiable census data can be made available, inter alia:

- if *any* law either expressly allows the disclosure, or even just *permits* it.  This is extremely wide:  there is no balancing of the privacy rights of the individual against whatever purpose any law may serve, and no requirement that the disclosure is &quot;necessary&quot; to serve an important public interest under such a law.

- if the disclosure is &quot;made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom)&quot;.  This is separate from the previous exemption, so the police (and, no doubt others - HMRC? DWP? local authorities) dont even need a law to point to in relying on this exemption. Again there is no balancing at all: the disclosure need not be &quot;necessary&quot; for the investigation; it is enough that (the authority claims that) the data are to be used/useable for this purpose.

- if the disclosure is to the intelligence services, &quot;in the interests of national security&quot; (again, as defined by them, and without any &quot;necessity&quot; test).

- if the disclosure is to an &quot;approved researcher&quot; (subject to &quot;criteria&quot; to be drawn up by the board). Who are these people?

These rules do not seem to stand in the way of  - indeed, almost seem to invite - the use of the census data for &quot;profiling&quot; purposes, by the police and the intelligence services.

I cannot see how surrendering the amount of sensitive data you will ask for in the census can be compatible with my right under European data protection law and the human rights act to private life, given these wide exemptions to your duty to confidentiality. I shall seek further advice on the matter but would glad of your comments.

Do you think the public are aware of these massive confidentiality loopholes? Will you make them aware, or is the plan simply to keep quiet about them (which seems to be the policy your letter to me follows) until someone makes a fuss?

I am copying this correspondence to the Foundation for Information Policy Research advisory council (to whom I&#039;m grateful for expert advice) to the Open Rights Group, to a solicitor specialised in data protection matters and to the Quaker Civil Liberties Network (who raised the original concern about census work being outsourced to a weapons manufacturer). I propose to write to my MP and to the Information Commissioner when I have your further reaction and have received further advice.


William Heath

Vann South, Vann Lane, Hambledon, Surrey


SECTION 39 OF THE STATISTICS &amp; REGISTRATION SERVICE ACT 2007:
Confidentiality of personal information
(1) Subject to this section, personal information held by the Board in
relation to the exercise of any of its functions must not be disclosed by—
(a) any member or employee of the Board,
(b) a member of any committee of the Board, or
(c) any other person who has received it directly or indirectly from the
Board.
(2) In this Part “personal information” means information which relates to
and identifies a particular person (including a body corporate); but it
does not include information about the internal administrative
arrangements of the Board (whether relating to its members, employees or
other persons).
(3) For the purposes of subsection (2) information identifies a particular
person if the identity of that person—
(a) is specified in the information,
(b) can be deduced from the information, or
(c) can be deduced from the information taken together with any other
published information.
(4) Subsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which—
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,
(b) is required by a Community obligation,
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to
exercise any of its functions,
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal
proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence
Service,
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or
(i) is made to an approved researcher.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a followup letter to Helen Bray at ONS:<br />
<blockquote>2 Oct 09</p>
<p>Dear Helen Bray</p>
<p>Thank you for your letter. I&#8217;m still uneasy about this and have sought advice.</p>
<p>The immediate advice is that that your letter is disingenuous, in that it refers to the duty of confidentiality but fails to mention the extensive loopholes available in the Statistics &amp; Registration Service Act 2007. I was unaware of these. I&#8217;m sure you know them well; they are set out in s.39 copied below.</p>
<p>What they appear to say is that personally-identifiable census data can be made available, inter alia:</p>
<p>- if *any* law either expressly allows the disclosure, or even just *permits* it.  This is extremely wide:  there is no balancing of the privacy rights of the individual against whatever purpose any law may serve, and no requirement that the disclosure is &#8220;necessary&#8221; to serve an important public interest under such a law.</p>
<p>- if the disclosure is &#8220;made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom)&#8221;.  This is separate from the previous exemption, so the police (and, no doubt others &#8211; HMRC? DWP? local authorities) dont even need a law to point to in relying on this exemption. Again there is no balancing at all: the disclosure need not be &#8220;necessary&#8221; for the investigation; it is enough that (the authority claims that) the data are to be used/useable for this purpose.</p>
<p>- if the disclosure is to the intelligence services, &#8220;in the interests of national security&#8221; (again, as defined by them, and without any &#8220;necessity&#8221; test).</p>
<p>- if the disclosure is to an &#8220;approved researcher&#8221; (subject to &#8220;criteria&#8221; to be drawn up by the board). Who are these people?</p>
<p>These rules do not seem to stand in the way of  &#8211; indeed, almost seem to invite &#8211; the use of the census data for &#8220;profiling&#8221; purposes, by the police and the intelligence services.</p>
<p>I cannot see how surrendering the amount of sensitive data you will ask for in the census can be compatible with my right under European data protection law and the human rights act to private life, given these wide exemptions to your duty to confidentiality. I shall seek further advice on the matter but would glad of your comments.</p>
<p>Do you think the public are aware of these massive confidentiality loopholes? Will you make them aware, or is the plan simply to keep quiet about them (which seems to be the policy your letter to me follows) until someone makes a fuss?</p>
<p>I am copying this correspondence to the Foundation for Information Policy Research advisory council (to whom I&#8217;m grateful for expert advice) to the Open Rights Group, to a solicitor specialised in data protection matters and to the Quaker Civil Liberties Network (who raised the original concern about census work being outsourced to a weapons manufacturer). I propose to write to my MP and to the Information Commissioner when I have your further reaction and have received further advice.</p>
<p>William Heath</p>
<p>Vann South, Vann Lane, Hambledon, Surrey</p>
<p>SECTION 39 OF THE STATISTICS &amp; REGISTRATION SERVICE ACT 2007:<br />
Confidentiality of personal information<br />
(1) Subject to this section, personal information held by the Board in<br />
relation to the exercise of any of its functions must not be disclosed by—<br />
(a) any member or employee of the Board,<br />
(b) a member of any committee of the Board, or<br />
(c) any other person who has received it directly or indirectly from the<br />
Board.<br />
(2) In this Part “personal information” means information which relates to<br />
and identifies a particular person (including a body corporate); but it<br />
does not include information about the internal administrative<br />
arrangements of the Board (whether relating to its members, employees or<br />
other persons).<br />
(3) For the purposes of subsection (2) information identifies a particular<br />
person if the identity of that person—<br />
(a) is specified in the information,<br />
(b) can be deduced from the information, or<br />
(c) can be deduced from the information taken together with any other<br />
published information.<br />
(4) Subsection (1) does not apply to a disclosure which—<br />
(a) is required or permitted by any enactment,<br />
(b) is required by a Community obligation,<br />
(c) is necessary for the purpose of enabling or assisting the Board to<br />
exercise any of its functions,<br />
(d) has already lawfully been made available to the public,<br />
(e) is made in pursuance of an order of a court,<br />
(f) is made for the purposes of a criminal investigation or criminal<br />
proceedings (whether or not in the United Kingdom),<br />
(g) is made, in the interests of national security, to an Intelligence<br />
Service,<br />
(h) is made with the consent of the person to whom it relates, or<br />
(i) is made to an approved researcher.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Comment on Tories announce £1m competition for large-scale crowdsourcing platform by The outer limits to the crowd&#8217;s wisdom &#8212; Federal Computer Week &#171; Many to Many</title>
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		<dc:creator>The outer limits to the crowd&#8217;s wisdom &#8212; Federal Computer Week &#171; Many to Many</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Tories announce £1m competition for large-scale crowdsourcing platform&#8221; by William Hea...; category Design: Co-creation, Foundation of Trust, Save Time and Money, What do we want? - Cripes. HM’s Loyal Opposition has announced &#8212; if elected &#8212; a £1m prize for an online platform for large-scale crowdsourcing. [...]</description>
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