Comments on: Gordon Brown current thinking on ID cards

By: Matthew

Matthew — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:30:02 +0000

Smoke and Mirrors. We are all being let into `their vision`. If you don’t know what I’m talking about read up on David Rockefeller and the works of Professor Carroll Quigley (and I quote)

“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interest of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists ‘ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”(5)
David Rockefeller, David Rockefeller: Memoirs, Published by Random House, October 15, 2002 . The following quote is found on pg. 405

We “live in interesting times. Our mainstream leaders have sold us out. Society has slipped the moorings of truth and is steered by megalomaniacs. All we can do is continue to man the lifeboats of truth.”(120)

By: ukliberty

ukliberty — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:56:37 +0000

I’ve been thinking about the issue of whether or not we should blame Gordon Brown if he hasn’t a clue.

WIBBI, when he didn’t have a clue, that he didn’t act as if he did.

Of course, that presumes he is aware of being clueless. If that is not the case, WIIBI he reads this paper (500 Kb PDF).

By: Ideal Gov administrator

Ideal Gov administrator — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:00:16 +0000

Funny old eGov monitor has a pretty effective No2ID deconstruction of the Brown interview – see http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/16568 … can’t see it the no2ID site.

By: Dave Birch

Dave Birch — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:11:54 +0000

I don’t think we should blame Gordon Brown. He hasn’t got a clue about any of this stuff and relies on advisors — presumably at IPS — to tell him about the technology. What was odd about his remarks, though, was that they were so, well, last century. The only biometric shopping scheme I can think of — apart from a pilot at one store in Germany — is PayByTouch in the USA. For more information, see for example

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2007/11/12/story1.html

By: ukliberty

ukliberty — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:14:41 +0000

With regard to the question of compulsion, Gordon should read the Top 10 FAQs on the Identity & Passport Service’s website.

Aside from that, ID card opponents are also concerned about information to be stored on the National Register, and who will have access to it, on which it is compulsory to be enrolled if you want to have a passport.

By: Ian Brown

Ian Brown — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:39:58 +0000

Brown is being extremely disingenuous. Until the next election, there will be no compulsion for UK citizens to get cards – unless that is they want to renew a passport. And if Labour wins the next election, how long are they likely to wait before making the cards mandatory for everyone?